Pretty much unnoticed from the tech blogosphere AOL shut down ficlets on Jan 15. ficlets was a nice little site where users could write stories collaboratively.
I have to admit that I didn’t pay much attention to the site myself, other than mentioning it shortly after its launch back in March, 2007. I am just not into writing stories myself, so it fell off my radar rather quickly. However the site gained a dedicated following and it is interesting to the tech crowd for at least two reasons:
- It was the first (at least, I think so) AOL property that supported OpenID as a consumer. About 40% of all accounts were OpenID accounts.
- Stories were Creative Commons licensed.
Especially the latter now helps writers to save their stories from AOL‘s servers. ficlets co-creator Kevin Lawver set up a new site, ficly, where stories will be imported. The stories, the ideas and creativity of many, many people are not lost.
ficlets is a good example where users were sort of in control of their contributions to a site. When we contribute to a site or when we want to share content from one site to another it is important to have license agreements which benefit the users. Licenses are not the central topic of data portability yet, but it shows that we shouldn’t lose sight of them.
(via Simon Willison)
My Comments, Your Comments
May 28, 2008 in Data Portability by Carsten Pötter
Everyone loves social media services and everyone loves data portability. Or at least, it seems so. My feed reader is chock full of articles on those topics (well, that simply means I read the wrong blogs or at least I have a very narrow view on what’s going on in technology these days, right?). The latest darlings of the early adopters and social media evangelists are FriendFeed and Disqus.
Fragmented Comments
If you don’t know already, FriendFeed is not only a lifestreaming service but users can comment on friends’ blog posts, Flickr photos, and other shared items in their lifestream. There is also a WordPress plugin available which shows comments from FriendFeed to the related posts on your blog. Disqus is a blog commenting system which aggregates all comments made by one user in a single place. While blog owners can run Disqus on their own blogs, comments are not part of the blog system, e.g. WordPress or Movable Type, anymore. So both systems allow people to comment on blog articles while the discussion doesn’t necessarily has to take place on the respected blogs.
So essentially comments can be spread over various and often disparate networks and services. Blog posts can be digged, stumbled upon, and mixxed. Other blog authors can send pingbacks and trackbacks and all those systems offer the opportunity to leave comments. If this happens to you as a blog author you have problems keeping track of the discussion which originated from your blog.
Who Owns the Comments?
So how does this relate to data portability? Well, over the last few days a discussion has emerged about who actually owns comments. If you comment on my blog, do I own the comment or do you own it? It’s my blog, but your ideas, thoughts, and words. Currently I am free to edit or even delete comments. And if I decide to delete an article all comments made on the article will be deleted as well. And if I discontinue the blog all comments will also disappear.
So are FriendFeed, Disqus and similar services a solution to preserve comments? Should they be portable from my blog to any system and service that can make use of them? My first thought was “Sure, I write the comment, I own it”. I still think it should be that way but does it make sense? Are comments worth anything if the original post is deleted? Hardly. Who could ever understand what you were referring to? Also if every commenter could edit or delete their comments at will (because they own them) conversations could become pointless. Commenter B refers to commenter A, but later commenter A deletes their comment. Bye, bye discussion.
While I am an advocate of data portability, the question of ownership of comments shows that not everything we wish and hope for will really work in reality. I really like FriendFeed a lot (more than I initially thought I would) and haven’t made a final decison on Disqus yet. Also I don’t have any problems if comments appear on various services but I don’t think it makes sense that comments are owned by commenters.
What’s your stance on this? Do you know any other scenarios where data portability doesn’t make sense?
Tags: blog author, Comments, Data Portability, disparate networks, Friendfeed, similar services, social media evangelists, social media services